Mad Sweeney

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  Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. child-abuse

  victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

  (this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

  i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

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  Mad Sweeney

  I agree that someone with knowledge of Wikipedia process should edit the FDS page:

  "The Watchtower Society's official view of 'the faithful and discreet slave' was presented by legal counsel for the Watchtower Society on October 11, 2011, during a criminal court hearing in Victoria, Australia's Latrobe Valley Magistrates' Court, where Rachel van Witsen from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia's in-house law firm Vincent Toole Solicitors stated on behalf of the Watchtower Society that: 'The faithful and discreet slave is not a legal entity.' The solicitor then presented arguments that the "faithful and discreet slave" should be viewed as a 'theological arrangement' and that it does not exist as a 'person,' as an 'unincorporated body,' or as a 'body' of Christians."
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  Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  victoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.

  (this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.

  i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.

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  Mad Sweeney

  I do not understand the above statement - if the society instructed the elders and others to obtain the cards, then why is this lawsuit still going on?

  Is the Watchtower Society trying to get out of having them obtain the cards now?

  Because it is a criminal trial, not a lawsuit. The Borg broke the law continually for several years. Just because they are complying NOW doesn't mean the case should get dropped. That would be like a speeder getting pulled over and telling the officer, "But officer, my car isn't even MOVING, how can you cite me for speeding?!?" The law has already been broken. Now it's time to face the music.
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  This Is why So Many Leave The WTBTS

  by Hairyhegoat in

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  the watchtower, november 1, 1987, pp.

  awake!, november 22, 1970, pp.

  14, 29; the watchtower, august 15, 1987, p. 20; the watchtower, april 15, 1986, p. 28-30 .

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  Mad Sweeney

  You may want to update with the December 15, 2011 Watchtower info comparing sports and recreational clubs to other more serious sins.
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  It's the closest thing to the Truth...

  by garyneal in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is what my jw wife has been saying as of late when it seems like she has no way to defend the doctrines of 1914, blood, as well as their false predictions, etc.. i've seen on this board where others have encountered this come back as well.

  it seems that the witnesses are getting a little slack and it makes me wonder how they can justify their position of their religion being the only true religion.. first off, being the "closest thing to the truth" implies that the truth itself is known.

  therefore, if the truth is known, why settle for being in a religion that is 'the closest thing to it?

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  Mad Sweeney

  I like the follow-up question about literal Israel/Judah.

  (assuming you believe the Borg version of the Bible) They were "the closest thing to the truth" in the bronze-age world and yet Jehovah not only allowed them to be taken over and destroyed, HE CAUSED it to happen through Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian Empire.

  Why does modern-day spiritual Israel express the same hubris and contempt for others that ancient Israel did but EXPECT DIVINE APPROVAL FOR IT?

  If Jehovah God caused the desolation of Jerusalem and 70 year (again, if you believe the BS) exile of HIS PEOPLE, then WHY WOULDN'T the parallel situation exist today?

  (this was one of the e-watchman points that helped jumpstart my thinking and analysis of the Borg - not that I'm endorsing his brand of wackiness)
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  How important is it to you that Lawence Hughes wins his case against the WT and doctors

  by zengalileo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  just curious.

  in my opinion it is the most importantr thing ex jws should be supporting right now.

  the case is at a crucial point.

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  Mad Sweeney

  This poster hasn't solicited funds. It is an ex-JW - blood transfusion case. Can we discuss it without TRYING to get it banned?

  I, for one, would like to know what's new in the case, and as long as nobody asks for money, there is no reason why we can't discuss it.

  BTW, the Australia case on child protection is more important than this, IMO.
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  Victoria, Australia: October 11th hearing. All five cases made it through the court...just!

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. child-abuse

  this is a preliminary summary only.

  i hope to obtain more details later.. .

  all five cases are still within the criminal justice system.

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  Mad Sweeney

  I still don't get why there wouldn't be a transcript. Isn't there ALWAYS a transcript in all court sessions?

  No.

  So the next day, or week, or month, they have to just REMEMBER what happened?
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  Customers arrested for trying to take their money out of Citibank & Bank of America

  by flyphisher in

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  2. friends

  http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2011/10/customers-arrested-for-trying-to-take.html.

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  Mad Sweeney

  Wow, extremism from both sides in a JWN political thread? Who'd have predicted that?
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  Whos is King of North?

  by sparki in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i think it's iran.. they're straight up crazy wackos whos main goal is to create caliphate, world under one islamic law.

  they actually believe they can accomplish this by causing great tribulation themselves with nuclear attack.. according to their belief, when theres great tribulation in the world, allah will come down and destroy non-muslims and will bring paradise.

  so if they blow up nuke, it will speed up the process.

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  Mad Sweeney

  Right now it looks to me like the king of the north is the Green Bay Packers.
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  What about this????

  by mouthy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.jw.org/index.xjp?option=qryqcsvrgznt.

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  Mad Sweeney

  They've been giving the mags away free for almost 20 years.
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  Is it possible for an apostate to get reindoctrinated?

  by foolsparadise in

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  2. friends

  and if so why?.

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  Mad Sweeney

  Feed a troll once, shame on him. Feed a troll twice, shame on you.

  Define apostate however you like. If it means someone that leaves a religion - the most common use of the term - then yes, apostates can return to the Borg and get reindoctrinated. If it means someone that leaves the Watchtower cult, reads Crisis of Conscience and Combating Cult Mind Control and understands their implications, and then actively opposes the Borg, then the chances of returning to the cult become statistically high to the point that it can be treated as practically impossible.